Crime and punishment
Posted: 18 November 2005 03:44 AM   [ Ignore ]
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Being direct is more kind than the way most people deal with things.

Lets say being direct is compared to spanking. 

I would argue that a parent who judiciously uses corporal punishment is a infinately more kind parent than one that doesn’t.  example: Four year old runs out into traffic repeatedly.  Parent chases them down and hauls them back.  When they both calm down the parent explains that it is dangerous to run into traffic.  Next day it happens again.  This time the parent explains there will be a reason applied to the backside for the child not to do this again.  Third day child starts to run into traffic parent catches them spanks them.  Child never runs into traffic again. 
Is this parent more kind or less than the parent that doesn’t spank.

Parent two threatens to spank and doesn’t, child learns not to respect the parent authority.  Child reaches for a hot stove parent yells stop child burns their hand.
Parent three continues to explain that it is not a good idea to run into the street.  Two weeks later parent watches child run into the street and gets squashed by a car.  (Now thats what I call a spanking).

Which of the above is really acting as a parent?

I relate this to how people deal with their friends. 

People see a friend doing something that is possibly harmful.  Freind comes to someone says I am doing X which is self destructive and harmful.  Friend replies with obfuscations, platitudes and niceties in order not to “hurt” their friend.

Is this really being a friend?

I know this is disjointed…..perhaps I should get a blog so I can just write about my feelings.

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Posted: 18 November 2005 05:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Yay! Get a blog. But I like reading your thoughts and feelings here, too.

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Posted: 01 January 2006 04:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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I completely agree with you GD.  I have some in-laws that have instilled no sense of discipline or respect in their children at all.  It honestly sickens me.  To see a parent tell their child to do or not to do something, and then the child says “no” without facing any consequences BLOWS MY MIND.  We aren’t talking about a 2 year old either.  A 9 year old that has 0 respect for his parents and can honestly tell his mom NO without anything other than a “I am serious, you need to ........”.


Out of curiosity though, how do we “spank” our friends?  Just kidding.

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Posted: 02 January 2006 01:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Usually I have them sign a waiver first. LOL

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Posted: 02 January 2006 02:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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I agree with you GD, no suprise knowing my father I am sure.  I am all about being direct especially when it comes to letting friends know your opinion, whether you don’t like their hair or don’t like their actions.  A friend, by my definition, is someone that you can always trust to be honest with you whether you like it or not.  Too much PC, be nice crap nowadays.  Gimmie Da TRUTH! :twisted:  I am not always direct in all my dealings, some things call for sublety, but I try for the most part.

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Posted: 10 January 2006 12:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Sunshine,
I agree. Direct, no matter how difficult, is the best way to go. I have so much respect for a person who can tell the truth, even when it’s painful to do so. I am not talking about censoring oneself (without lying) to avoid hurting others. I’m talking about honest, “I can count on you to tell the truth,” “You have my back,” “I know your criticism is constructive” kind of interactions. How else can we call ourselves real friends?

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Posted: 11 January 2006 01:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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I need a waiver!!! Does it apply to spanking our friends kids??? (I know a few.)

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Posted: 11 January 2006 01:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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We were at a party last night and there was a 5 year old boy that was running around and screaming like a banshee. He got a couple of the birthday girls balloons and popped them (they were the mylar ones, not an easy feat). At one point the parents said’ Ha Ha no more sugar for you young man’ and the boy proceeded to throw himself on the floor and beat it with his fists. Then he decided it was funny to slap everyone on the rear as he ran by. The dad finally smacked the s&*t out of the boy when he kicked dad in the shins.  As we were getting ready to applaud the dad’s actions. The dad turned to the little boy and APOLOGIZED!!!!

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Posted: 11 January 2006 11:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Posted: 11 January 2006 01:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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I’m all for spanking. I wouldn’t be where I am if it weren’t for my parents willingness to discipline. Excellent post GD! I know a few people personally who need to read this post!!!

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Posted: 12 January 2006 08:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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I went back to college after I had my first child. As a psych major, I heard all kinds of info about how TERRIBLE spanking is. So I tried time outs. My child sat in the time out “chair,” all the while singing songs and inventing stories. I turned him around so he was facing a blank wall. The lack of stimulation only further fueled his imagination. I went back to the way my mom & dad did it…spank as needed. My first child is a teenager now, and he couldn’t be a better behaved, more respectful and enjoyable young man.

The main objective is to differentiate between discipline & punishment. One is corrective and administered out of love. (Try to get a child to understand that.) The other harms a child while relieving the negative emotions of the parent. One builds. One destroys. And it is important to check ourselves before any action taken to be certain we are coming from the right place.

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Posted: 12 January 2006 11:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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The best advice I have gotten on this subject was to take al ook at kids who have never been spanked.  Unfortunately,
this happens to be a selling point for spanking. Usually the most undisciplined and disrespectful kids, understand that there is no consequence that bothers them in a time out.

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Posted: 13 January 2006 08:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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While I agree with this form of discipline, I always feel the need to hide around the corner somewhere so as to not get looks of “I’m calling CPS” from someone, but I suppose a police officer would know the difference between discipline and abuse, right?

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Posted: 14 January 2006 01:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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That is true. I think that if you take time to cool off and make sure that you are not angry when disciplining there would never be any question.  This weeks Newsweek has an article on comparative theories on child rearing. Interestingly, it leans toward more old school styles,
more discipline more time at home with parents involved is best.

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Posted: 14 January 2006 11:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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I had a woman threaten to call CPS on me when I was visiting Denver about 12 years ago. I asked her to leave the restaurant we were both patronizing and sit on the curb for awhile with my son & me, in order to observe our interactions. 30 minutes later, she apologized.

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Posted: 14 January 2006 12:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Was the apology simply a means to an end?  Let’s face it, sitting on a curb in Denver during the winter could make people do strange and unimaginable things LOL  LOL

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