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Posted: 27 July 2004 12:36 PM   [ Ignore ]
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? i was just pondering where most fights begin and why road rage, not counting bars of course, standing in line at the movies and someone cuts in front of you, foul language in front of your family? i admit i have a short fuse and need control but avoidance is the first stage of an un-fight. recognition and diffusing the situation before it starts. and finally to end the fight actually before it starts. the quick thump and call 911 or just run. an example is at the ball park and the guy in front wouldnt sit down and when i asked him VERY politely he told me how much he loved me, you know, the gay thing, using the f word. the key word here im looking for is WHERE, and possibly WHY. maybe this belongs in a different catagory. eh?

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Posted: 29 July 2004 09:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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hmmmm!

Interesting Dale,
Most of our Seminars deal with: OK, YOU KNOW THE FIGHT IS ON, AND THERE IS NO WAY FOR AVOIDANCE. Hit them first, hard and often. Hummm! to have one on just avoidance. Im not sure how qualified we are. Myself, when Im at a game or event and someone is not cooperating I usally ignore them and move. Otherwise, I revert back to stage one: hit them first, hard and often. By the wayyour avatar is cute.

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Posted: 14 August 2004 12:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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from the krav forum

8) 8/13 viola writes, that as a woman she believes that self defence for women is very important but afraid of making the guy madder by not taking him out. she also asks the question of WHEN to fight of which i didnt ask in my previous statement/question. thanks for the response big d. i like the logo name BIG-D. cool. i guess i have to stay with my little-bitty, tiny, wimpy s on my t-shirt. by the way i got my white pants dirty so im not so weak as before. lol i know these are philosophical questions like the what if type but interesting so i think. )

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Posted: 15 August 2004 02:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Don’t get me wrong, you can teach people to be aware of there surrondings. That may eliminate most altercations, but not all. Training to be aware 100%  of the time is not easy. It needs to be maintained just like our training. It’s like that ancient saying: Martial Arts is 50% physical and 50% mental. I say: Stay balanced.

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Posted: 16 August 2004 12:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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I must agree with both of you to a degree.  I for one always try to aviod confrontation, which usually means staying away crowds and anywhere alcohol is served.  This works most of the time;however, I know that there will be a time and place where turning the other cheek will not be an option.  It is at this time that I want to rise to level of my training and take care of business.  This is why I attend Brand X.  Additionally, the mental aspect is something also to pursue.

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Posted: 16 August 2004 02:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Dale, Making the guy madder ??? What are the options?? Statisics show the harder you fight the better off you will be. This does not mean you will be uninjured just the type of injury and its gravity may differ. Also I have read that emotional recovery from an assault or attack ( for ladies) Is much quicker when you knew you fought back, no matter what the outcome.

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Posted: 17 August 2004 02:37 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Ok this may be a rant but… if someone assaults you (they are most likely at minimum, a pretty angry person) - and you roll over and play dead.. I find it hard to believe that they will be less agressive angry etc just because you are complying- besides the expectation/ hope/ freakish desire may be noncompliance, they may be angry that you do not respond- who the heck knows… Isn’t this at minimum a sociopath ?
You have no hope of getting away if you don’t try.

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Posted: 17 August 2004 02:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Large lefty,
Nice perp rounder-upper avatar.

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“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who are not.”  Thomas Jefferson”

“History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid” - Gen Eisenhower.

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Posted: 17 August 2004 03:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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BBJ, you should post your rant in the KM forum.  I think it is appropriate and worthwhile statement.

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Posted: 17 August 2004 08:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Posted: 17 August 2004 11:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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He is simply detaining him with his right arm, so that he can beat him with his left.fighting28.gif

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Posted: 17 August 2004 12:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Most fights begin from the side unlike in movies where two people will duke it out, in reality you’ll have someone in your face and then his freind attacks.

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Posted: 18 August 2004 07:01 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Don’t know the statistical answer here- but I think Top Dawg has a good point- things are usually a little less squared up and “fair” than we might imagine, and to give a boost to the Brand X instructors… THATS WHAT THEY KEEP SAYING ! You have to train for realistic situations and not choreographed set up fake punches.  Thats why we do it the way that we do it at Brand X.  Not many others teach or train this way.  It is a rare and special opportunity to have Instructors who investigate real life scenarios and pursue continued Self defense education and training constantly, and they are willing to change things that do not work, or adjust to current trends in crime/street attacks etc.
I feel lucky to have their input.

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Posted: 27 August 2004 05:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Best weapons

I heard once that your best weapon is your feet, using them to run.

Both Dale, and Sifu Tom have mentioned, that fighting physically can be similar in training to fighting mentally?  Just as one might parry a punch, so also might one be able to parry a situation. 

However, this would make the assumption that the situation can be parried.  Don’t situations, like where ladies or kids are vulnerable, have slight adjustments to the rules?  If a guy approaches you in a dark parking lot, and puts his hand on your shoulder, I wouldn’t necessarilly agree that this is a situation that could be averted, and I’m not sure, even as a guy, that I’d want to experiment long enough to find out.  Also, situations like running wouldn’t work for some, like my wife, who would have difficulty WALKING away from such an altercation.

But isn’t awareness the 1st step in any situation?  I think this is what Brand-X teaches. :CH

I am amazed how little the world around us is aware.  For example, I made a short stop at Stater Bros. tonight, around 10:30 PM.  I drove up and parked next to a car, and there was a lady standing outside of it, leaning on the front, talking on her cell phone, totally unaware of (or perhaps not caring about) me.  I always look at situations like these, and wonder what she would do if I was a bad guy.

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Posted: 27 August 2004 11:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Re: Best weapons

[quote author=“Dawg Tired”]I am amazed how little the world around us is aware.  For example, I made a short stop at Stater Bros. tonight, around 10:30 PM.  I drove up and parked next to a car, and there was a lady standing outside of it, leaning on the front, talking on her cell phone, totally unaware of (or perhaps not caring about) me.  I always look at situations like these, and wonder what she would do if I was a bad guy.

Dawg Tired, even in the short amount of time I’ve been training with Brand-X guys, I have increased my awareness. Yesterday I was walking in an underground parking lot and I heard a man walking behind me. I could tell he was gaining ground and I felt myself prepare for some type of action. I was 99 percent sure that like me he was hurrying to get back to work but my mind still told my body to be wary. That comes from the way the guys are training us and you are right. It’s crucial.

(sorry if this is far off topic.)

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Posted: 28 August 2004 05:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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STARTING TO REALIZE THAT

( most fights begin at home.  had some people over for dinner last night, candle light and all and the wind blew out the candle and i got stabbed in the back of the hand with 3 forks reaching for that last piece of chicken on the plate. finding out that being polite is also a virtue along with not being greedy.

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