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LargeLefty
Posted: 15 April 2005 12:57 AM   [ Ignore ]
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I was reading about a champion endurance horse that was cloned.  My question is, do you think the offspring(?) will share the same endurance and performance capabilities as the original? 

Or more to the point, if I were cloned today, but the clone was raised by someone else how much different would I be?  Would I still be able to perform in the same manner.  How would my mental toughness be.

Ah the age old heridity v. environment rolleyes

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Posted: 15 April 2005 01:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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MAYBE A KIND MODERATOR WILL CHANGE THE TITLE OF MY NEW TOPIC, SINCE I CANNOT SPELL…

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Posted: 15 April 2005 01:14 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Steve, if you edit your post you can fix the title… smile I’ve done that before.

hmmm…I think the clone would have the same potential, but training and environment also should have some influence. How much in relation to genetic possibilites, I can’t even venture a guess.


I’ll have to think about this one!

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Posted: 15 April 2005 01:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Ok I’ll throw in my hat..

Although I think the starting point (genetic gifts or lack thereof) has a
substantial impact,  your mindset and character are developed by your environment (or lack therof) With the addition of similar physical & skill training actual performance would then be determined by a combination of those attributes. Ultimately I do not think all of those things can ever be exactly replicated and thus I don’t think the cloning will have the desired result. I tend to think mindset (determination, persistance, work ethic ) and character are what makes a true champion, horse or otherwise.

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Posted: 15 April 2005 02:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Also think of how many people can point to one or two brief moments in their lives that they look at as “turning points”.  One small moment, incident , encounter or event can have substantial & lasting impact-
How do you replicate that ?[/list]

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Posted: 15 April 2005 08:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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YES I BELIEVE THAT MIKKI, BUT DON’T YOU THINK EVERYONE HAS THE POTENTIAL OF BEING GREAT AT ANYTHING THEY PUT THEIR MIND TO. CLONES, HMMMM HAVING THE SAME GENES YES, AND VERY POSSIBLY BE ABLE TO TURN OUT JUST AS THE ORIGINAL. AS MIKKI SAID, THEIR ARE A LOT OF TURNING POINTS ALONG THE WAY, BUT AGAIN WITH THE SAME GENES WOULD YOU NOT MAKE THE SAME CHOICES??? OR WOULD DIFFERNET SITUATIONS COME UP CHANGING THE PATH…..HURRGGGGG! WHO STARTED THIS THREAD.

LETS JUST SAY, IF YOU WANT ANOTHER ME, THE CHANCE ARE GREATER IF I WERE CLONED THEN IF YOU TOOK JOE OFF THE STREET AND MADE HIM ME??? .NOW THAT I READ THIS I DON’T KNOW IF I AGREE WITH WHAT I JUST SAID.

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Posted: 15 April 2005 01:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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I know Joe could never be you.

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Posted: 15 April 2005 02:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Mr Ed had bad character. Hopefully he was not cloned.

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Posted: 15 April 2005 11:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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I have to agree with BBOJ on this.  Although heredity helps as a foundation, life is full of chioces, experiences and stuff that mold each one of us.  I do not believe you could replicate that.

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Posted: 16 April 2005 12:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Essential I think you would end up with the same genetic material but a different psych.  Kind of like a two pieces of clay of equal mass.  They can start out looking the same, but they are shaped by their environment.  They can never be entirely different because their mass is the same (genetic potential) but they can never be entirely the same either.  In the book series Dune one of the characters is cloned over and over for centuries.  He is always the same , but different.

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Posted: 16 April 2005 01:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Thanks for the help Laura.

The moderator’s simply enjoyed seeing me flounder and waited for me to figure it out using any means possible.

Thanks again…

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Posted: 18 April 2005 12:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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What kind of environmentally deprived genetic freaks would we be if we did not engage in some good ole fashioned fun friend poking ??

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Posted: 18 April 2005 12:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Also Congrats on the baby horse.  What will it grow up to be like ?
Hanging around your house….well we can only guess….
help me out here….

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Posted: 18 April 2005 11:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Well I can tell you it won’t receive much education about eating, sniffing etc from your dog!

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